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Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Abu Ghraib rape video?

Yikes, Abu Ghraib was worse we could ever have imagined! This is one that slipped past me on Sunday. Bush denied knowing of the abuse till he "saw the pictures of the abuse on television." Rumsfeld testified before congress, and claimed that he "had no idea of the extent of the abuse." Now the top military investigator of the Abu Ghraib scandal, retired Army Major General Antonio Taguba, claimed that "the president had to be aware" and that "At best, Taguba said, "Rumsfeld was in denial ... The photographs were available to him -- if he wanted to see them."" and that Rumsfeld was "trying acquit himself and a lot of people who are lying to protect themselves." He went on to mention some of the abuse, and then dropped a bombshell! He saw "a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee,"

The photographs taken by US jailers humiliating prisoners who were naked or hooded, on leashes or piled in a pyramid, rocked the world, becoming one of the few things Bush has said he regretted about the war.

Taguba said that he described to Rumsfeld what he termed the "torture" of "a naked detainee lying on the wet floor, handcuffed, with an interrogator shoving things up his rectum," the magazine reported.

The ex-general, who retired in January, spoke of other, undisclosed material on the Abu Ghraib abuse, including descriptions of the sexual humiliation of a father with his son, who were both detainees.

He also told the magazine he saw "a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee," adding that the video was never made public or mentioned in any court or in public.

Taguba said that all high-level officials had avoided scrutiny while the jail keepers at Abu Ghraib were tried in courts-martial.


And how could this have gone unreported?

"From what I knew, troops just don't take it upon themselves to initiate what they did without any form of knowledge of the higher-ups," Taguba told the New Yorker, adding that his orders were to investigate the military police only and not their superiors.

11 comments:

Anon-Paranoid said...

It's like I already said, these Republican Fascist Christian Nazi's are War Criminals and should be standing trial in the Hague.

They knew about the Torture and they authorized and condoned it.

These people are eviler than Hitlers Nazi's and our country is in serious trouble.

When the F*ck will the American People wake up and bring these bastards to justice?

And that includes John Yoo along with Abu Gonzales who wrote the legal justifications for what they have done.

God Bless.

Larry said...

Everytime you look at a news bite there is something pathetic like this.

Peacechick Mary said...

Ugly, ugly, ugly stuff. Rumsfeld should be hung in Iraq.

Pamela J. Leavey said...

I agree - ugly, ugly stuff!

Mary said...

Makes you ashamed to be American.

Rebel Reaper said...

That's jsut sick! Just when you think they can't be any worse.

alaskababy said...

physically ill...

Anonymous said...

Ok, absolutely sickening, makes me want to vomit and in no way would I ever minimize it. However to buy into anonymous or even named reports wholesale as if they are gospel is as naive as buying into the propoganda bullshit that the right winger protestant supporters propping up Bush is. Look, I want as bad as anyone to believe. But to follow a report based on nothing more than "it's disgusting, it's wrong, it proves every reason we want this war to stop is every bit as bad as bush saying, this war is justified, it is right, it is good, it is what we need. I'm totally amazed at how easily people fall to the opposite sides of this argument. I had a brother die in this Iraq bullshit. A good man, a man that would shoot any marine on sight that participated in anything like this. And I have searched every corner of the universe trying to find the truth in this stuff. What I find in the end is a bunch of people who see what they want to see, who see the things that validate their own personal opinions and feelings. If you want to bring out truth then dig a bit deeper than one report of the guy who was imprisoned after hiding behind innocent women and children as he shot at the enemy. I know too many good people in the military to swallow a single report off of someone hostile to them. I'll read anything, think about anything, leave the door open to anything. No matter how ugly. But to swallow hook line and sinker a word of mouth report without any backup is naive, it's self placating. It's WRONG. There's enough out there buried or otherwise to get to the truth. But ya ain't going to get there being satisfied with a simple report from SSGT so and so, the Armed forces radio, the Bush robots, the Taliban, the Al Quaida and the Shiites, and the Sunni's and everyone else in the world. This is a report. Nothing more. If it's true, it makes me sick. If it's not, then I'm just as sick. It's everything wrong with this world, bad people trying to manipulate the good. I'm good, you're probly good...lets get busy and dig...find the truth and be manipulated by no-one.

Mike Cawley, brother of Marine SSGT James W Cawley. Best man I ever met, much better than me.

Anonymous said...

A big PS here, I've never seen 3 cowards as big as Bush, Cheyney, and Rumsfled. Three men who have given nothing, 3 men who have thought so little of the men they send out to die, the people who sit in the middle of war...if there is a definition of the word evil, their names oughta be number 3 in Websters. For all my observation and research, this war has absolutely nothing to do with protecting america. It has to do with contracts and agendas and any man that would send the innocent young believers in good that I've talked to thousands of miles away from their home and families and ignored every single thing that started this stuff in the first place, i.e., an attack on american soil...they are more than unamerican, they are war criminals. I've talked to many who've been and returned. The reports and their feelings are sometimes hard to hear. But no matter politics, no matter beliefs, there are men there who believe. They are on the front lines, they have been there, most americans have not. Never underestimate the power of good men with good intentions. They may be blown to and fro by evil men, but you cant stop good men from carrying good wherever they go. I've talked to Iraqi's stateside that have lost family...two and three brothers or sisters at a time. Does it mean I agree with this war? Hell no, but their feelings, the soldiers reports carry weight with me. Good men rise to the occassion and a report from a man at the front carries 100 times more weight than a reporter or general in the rear with the gear. Part of me would like to say, they're not worth it, none of this is worth it, but we've rotated well over a million and a half soldiers through Iraq by now and I'm not seeing any marches on washington yet. When they do, I'll be there. But people who rely totally on AP news are sheeple who don't seem to care to talk to the people who walk among the people. There are good and extremely intelligent and decent soldiers over there and many of them hate Bush as much as anyone. For the love of God, at least give them an ear and believe in them. Maybe they're not as "intelligent" as those of us sitting in our lazyboys watching the news someone else decided to feed us. I'm not saying follow blindly, believe blindly, all I'm saying is "balance." Go to the source. Get all sides of the story...then make a conclusion. All I'm after is truth...I'll pull in this report of abuse with as much weight as any other report. But I'll be da*ned if I suck it in as the whole story. Keep it coming I say, but bring it all in. The good bad and ugly...above all, the truth.

Thanks for a chance to vent...no offense intended to anyone...just my silly opinions, if I'm wrong, throw it at me and let me have it. I'll listen to every word. Every single person may be holding part of the puzzle...I'd like to be one of them.

Mike

Anonymous said...

My bad...I did a quick scan on the story and didn't read the post thoroughly...I thought it was a report from a detainee, not the military investigator which obviously lends a lot more credibility...so my apologies to anyone who posted that may have been offended.

I still feel though that the people in this country rely too heavily on the media or the reports from upper military, and too light on reports from those at the front lines. It would be nice if someone could do a credible report pooling opinions of a broad crossection of the average Iraqi citizen and the soldiers who work among them. They're the casualties of this war and I wish we could hear their voices more.

Donnie McDaniel said...

Mike,

Welcome the The Katrinacrat Blog. If you notice, I tried to relay how the higher-ups were not allowed to be investigated. That is a real problem there. To follow orders, is drilled into you from the first day you enter. That Major General was the senior investigator.